“Q: Do I know myself through the mind, or is it independent of the mind?

Bob: The only instrument we have is the mind. So, it has to be understood that you can never grasp it with the mind. Because it contains the mind; the mind can never contain it.

Q: What about the feeling or the thought ‘I am”?

B: That is the  primarily thought from which all dualism appears. As soon as there is ‘I am’, there must be ‘you’ or ‘the other’. That idea ‘I am’ is the cause of all seeming problems. That sense of presence is expressing itself through the mind, but prior to that thought, you know that you are, don’t you? You are not thinking ‘I am’ constantly all the time, are you? You know that you are sitting there. You are aware of being present, continually.

Q: What about the when I am in deep sleep? I am not aware.

B: The mind is in abeyance in deep sleep, but that effortless functioning is still going on. The mind is not there. That functioning is still breathing you. It is  still causing the blood to flow around through the body. The fingernails continue to grow. All these do not stop because the mind is not there.

Consciousness, or the mind, stirs in that deep sleep, and you start to dream before you are awake. In this dream you create a world, and you see yourself taking an active part in it. It might be in a town, a city, a room or out in the country. You can dream of all sorts of things. There can be other people there. There could be cars, animals or anything, and you see yourself taking an active part. Yet, that body has not moved from the bed. All of this seeming world has been taking place in that little space between your ears. If you continued on from the night before just as it appears to do in the waking state, could you tell the difference between the dream state and the waking state?

So, is the world anything other than mind? What substance has the mind? What substance has a thought got? That ‘I am’ thought is what you believe yourself to be. Can the mind stand on it’s own? If you were not conscious, if that consciousness was not there, could you have a single thought?

Q: I don’t know!

B: Well, you just said that even in deep sleep, you were not aware o f it. No thoughts. The mind is dependent on consciousness or awareness or whatever you want to call it, that pure intelligence energy. So that must be primary, that must be the reality, not the ‘I am’ thought, not the ‘me’ as such.

Q: Is consciousness dependent on anything else?

B: That is also just a movement in awareness. All this world appears in that consciousness. All this world is the content of consciousness. So, it cannot be anything other than consciousness. There is nothing that you can think of, conceive of, perceive or postulate outside of consciousness. Even if  you are talking about other universes or other solar systems, the moment you think about or talk about them, you have brought them into consciousness. When that ‘thinking and talking’ consciousness is out of the road, there is that pure intelligence there. It just shines of itself.

Q: So is consciousness a part of the universal?

B: The whole thing is universal, if you look at it closely. No parts. Awareness, the absolute, consciousness, mind are one and the same thing in different aspects. Like with water: you have water vapour or steam, then the liquid state of water and then there is ice. These are three different aspects of the one thing, water. So, it still never changes from that non-dual one-without-a-second. Grasp that fact and stay with that. It does not matter what appears. It is still only the One. Then that sense of separation can no longer be there.”


Sailor Bob Adamson “What is wrong with right now, unless you think about it?”